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Tuesday, August 3, 2010
News regarding CAT Case 381/2010
Dear friend,
our case has been posted to 01.09.2010. we are trying to file the rejoinder as early as possible.
Thanks.
Permanand.
1. Fact of no comparison between central secretariat service and those of Inspectors of Department of Post.
1. The Sixth pay commission has recommended that “Postal Inspectors in Department of Posts have demanded a higher pay scale of Rs.6500-10500 on par with inspectors and analogous posts in CBDT/CBEC as well as Assistants of Central Secretariat Service on the ground that they are recruited through the same examination. The commission is recommending the merger of pre-revised pay scales of Rs.500-9000 and Rs.6500-10500 which will automatically bring Inspector (posts) on par with Assistants in CSS/Inspectors and analogous Posts in CBDT and CBEC……”
Accordingly, the pay parity amongst the Inspectors working in various departments including posts, Income Tax, Customs & Excise, etc., has been accepted. Hence, the contention of the Respondent that there was no parity between Inspectors of Department of Posts & Income Tax & Excise, is not well founded, that too when the recommendations of IV, V & VI CPC is examined & applied, keeping in mind the changes brought out by the Respondent in turn with the suggestions made by these Commissions, being expert bodies in the field of pay fixation, etc. That, in view of the V and VI CPC recommendations, only after having found that the job profile, work load and qualification, which are comparable, the Government of India had granted same pay scales to all the Inspectors of Posts, Income Tax, Central Excise.
2. The department agrees in his para no.6(Page no.4) that Inspectors were only in the upgraded scale notionally and for them the replacement scale eligible is PB-2 with grade pay of Rs.4200/-. The learned pay commission found parity among these cadres and to bring parity the scale was upgraded and brought on par with other inspectors. Hence, any up gradation of pay scales given to other inspectors should be applicable on su-moto to bring justice to Postal Inspectors, whether it is notional replacement or actual replacement, otherwise it attracts discrimination .
3. Please see common notification for recruitment of Inspectors and analogues post published in the employment news dated 30.01.10, Inspector of Income tax(CBDT) are Group C employees and they are given higher grade pay of Rs.4600/- and Inspector being a Group B officers are denied grade pay of Rs.4600/- and which shows postal inspectors are higher in status but lower when it comes to grade pay. We being Inspector with Group B officer are made on par with CBI Sub Inspectors who are in Group C category of staff with grade pay of Rs.4200/-
4. The Inspector of Posts are the appointing authorities in respect of several categories of Gramin Dak Sevaks. The Schedule of Appointing Authorities under Rule 4 of the Gramin Dak Sevak (Conduct & Employment) Rules, is extracted herein below:
SCHEDULE OF APPOINTING AUTORITIES (See Rule 4) Post Offices Sl. No. Name of the Post Appointing Authority 1 2 3 1 Gramin Dak Sevak Sub-Postmaster Head of the Division 2 Gramin Dak Sevak Branch Postmaster Head of the Division 3 Gramin Dak Sevak Mail Deliverer Deputy Presidency Postmaster; Gazetted Postmaster including Gazetted sub-Postmaster in charge of Town Post Office, Postmaster in Higher of Lower Selection Grade (in own office) except of Postmaster in charge of a Town Sub-Office, Inspector of Post Offices/Assistant Superintendent of Post Offices (in all other offices) 4 Gramin Dak Sevak Mail Carrier 5 Gramin Dak Sevak Mail Packer 6 Gramin Dak Sevak Mail Messenger 7 Gramin Dak Sevak Stamp Vendor Railway Mail Service 1 Gramin Dak Sevak Mailman Inspector/Assistant Superintendent, Railway Mail Service, Sub-Record Officer/Head Record Officer.
They are also the Disciplinary authorities for them. Whereas the Inspector of Income Tax/Central Excise & Customs have no such power vested in them. Even for the postman/mail guard & Grade ‘D’, the Inspector of Post is the Disciplinary authority. The nature of Penalties which they can impose are enumerated in Rule 9 of the GDS (Conduct & Employment) Rules which has been extracted herein below:- “ 9. Nature of Penalties: The following penalties may, for good and sufficient reasons and as hereinafter provided, be imposed on a Sevak by the Appointing authority, namely:- (i) Censure: (ii) Debarring of a Sevak from appearing in the recruitment examination for the post of Postman and/or from being considered for recruitment as Postal Assistants/Sorting Assistants for a period of one year or two years or for a period not exceeding three years. (iii) Debarring of a Sevak from being considered for recruitment to Group ‘D’ for a period not exceeding three years; (iv) Recovery from Time Related Continuity Allowance of the whole or part of any pecuniary loss caused to the Government by negligence or breach of orders; (v) Removal from employment which shall not be a disqualification for future employment; (vi) Dismissal from employment which shall ordinarily be a disqualification for future employment.”
5. The administrative powers vested in the Inspector of Posts are noted herein below and whereas these powers are not vested with the Inspectors of Income Tax, Customs/Central Excise.
Sl. No. Nature of Power Extent of Power Remarks 1 2 3 4 APPOINTMENTS, PENALTIES AND APPEALS (See Schedule No.1) 1 Power to transfer from one office to another in the same time scale in his subdivision any official whom he is authorized to appoint Full powers, subject to the provisions of rule 37 of the Posts and Telegraphs Manual, Volume IV. Rule 38 of the Postal Manual Volume IV. RESIGNATIONS 2 Power to accept resignation of an official. May accept the resignation of any one whom he is authorized to appoint Rule 158 (1) of the Postal Manual Volume III. MISCELLANEOUS 3 Power to grant casual leave. Powers as defined in rules 99 to 102 of the Posts and Telegraphs manual. Volume IV.
6. In pursuance to the recommendations of the V-CPC, the Respondent has merged the cadres of IPOS, IRMS & Inspectors (Uniform) into a single cadre with nomenclature of ‘Inspector of Posts’. The workload of these Inspector of Posts have been increased by leaps & bounds since July 2001 and each one of the Inspector of Posts in required to acquire & acquaint with additional knowledge and the extra work, thereon. Thus, the workload, which the Inspectors of Posts are required to carry, is heavier than that of Inspectors of Income Tax, Customs and Central Excise.
7. The Inspectors of Posts are discharging most arduous duties and higher responsibilities including that of supervision of the job of General line HSG-1I units and HSG I units which are in the grade pay scale of Rs.4200/-and Rs.4600/- respectively, thus the principle of Supervisor should have more pay than the supervised is not followed at present.
8. That, the Respondents are aware that the Inspectors of Posts discharge the most onerous duties and shoulder the higher responsibilities, which are not in any way inferior to that of the Inspectors of Income Tax and precisely for that reason the V and VI -CPC have recommended uniform pay scales to all of them. The 2nd respondent even recommended higher grade to the inspectors and sent the proposal to the ministry of finance.
9. Hence, the decision of the I & II Respondents in not considering the claim of the Applicants properly is hit by Articles 14 & 16 of the Constitution of India. According to the Applicants the I & II Respondents have not applied their mind fully, but have mechanically rejected their claim without any study.
Due to MACP, the grade pay of Mail Overseers and some postmen staff whose Crs are written by the Inspector Posts also is in the same grade pay of Rs 4200.
DEAR JANTH, I APPRECIATE YOUR CAREFUL STUDY.BUT WHO WILL LISTEN OUR PROBLEMS. WE IPOs are GrB GAZZ/NON GAZZ BUT GR. C IN I.TX/CBI TAKES HIGHER GP THAN IPO. WHAT A JOKE IT IS? WE SHOULD WRITE THIS ISSUE IN MEDIA AND LET NATION OR PEOPLES OF INDIA OR CENTRAL GOVT. EMPLOYEES KNOW THE FACTS.HOW IPOS ARE TREATED AS BEGGARS. THIS ITSELF IS CLEAR JOKE AND IMAGINE WHO ARE THE HANDLERS OF DOP.WHAT IS THEIR LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE.THEY ARE THE MASTER TWISTERS. THEY ARE LIKE LIKE "KASAB BROTHERS".THEY CAN GO TO ANY LEVEL TO DENY 4600 GP TO IPOS.WE can imagine where is the DOP and in whose hands? DOP will never succeed if these or such narrow or discrinatory type of peoples are in the higher levels of Department of Posts.
Hello friend, I have been selected as an Inspector of Post through CGL 2008. I have been regularly watching this blog for GP hike. Pl guide me what can I do for our struggle in Grade pay hike as a fresher. Birju Kumar
Hello Birju. I am also in dilema whether to join or not as I m working as assistant 4200 G.P. with 3 increment. I have heard that there is a heavy work load in this deptt. If 4600 G.P. is given then its ok. otherwise.... if lien is given then also ok to taste the work of Postal deptt.
Jayat has really done exemplery. I appreciate him. we should also bring our case to media for making it popular and let govt. feel embarrassment. satya
unity is strength. be united. as far as I know the direct inspector in postal depatt.are of same intellect power as in Income tax or other inspector selected by SSC therefore the inspector of posts must be able to get 4600 G.P. there might be delay but the success is inevitable.
Sir, GP 4600 is inevitable O.K.But the matter of GP 4600 has been twisted by master twisters in Dpartment right from bottom to top.There are huge no. of twisters in DOP at higher level,lower level and this is the basic reason that DOP is Loss making organisation.Now it is the job of Advocate concerned in CAT to expose the twisters plans,designs & their conspiracy against the Inspectors for GP 4600.
Sir, I agree with plan of DHARNA.Let media expose all top level officers of pay commission /DOP/MOF.All ministries sortyed GP issue of 4600 except DOP for IPOs. MOF is also partner with DOP twisters.Pl.contact channels if any body has friends with media.
Dear friends, The Dharna idea is good but the time factor may be little bit problematic. I suggest we should write Postcards to all media houses and President,Prime minister,Min of Comm & IT, fINANCE MINISTER etc to highlight our case.We should specifically mention the recommendation of expert committee say 6 Pay commission recommendation and its acceptance for identicle scale with Income taX/CE Inspectors.What happened to that?Where is IPO and Income tax/CE Inspectors in respect of GP? We shoudl mention how we are forced to accept 4200 GP whrease Income tax /CE Inspectors have already been granted 4600GP. Where is justice despite the 6PC favourable report? Who are the DG/CPMGs/MOFs to decide the GP issue of IPOs if the 6PC has already given their decision. iF THEY ARE THE decision makers then where is the need of Pay commission?Why should Govt. waste crores of Rs. on Pay commission? All IPOs please send 10-20 Postcards to President of India,Primeminister of India, Finance Min. of India,Min of comm & IT,DG, reputed news channels say STAR NEWS, ZEE NEWS,INDIA TODAY, AAJTAK,SAHARA NEWS in a month and ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE biased policy of Ministries with IPOs. Please send at least one Post card daily.Expenditure will be just Rs.5-10 and every IPO can afford rgis amount. If any IPOs dont like to mention their name in Post casrd they may mention their Sub Division name in the Postcard.
Above idea and its execution at least can expose the attitude/actions of our highest officers towards IPOs.The expert ommittee say 6PC is useless if its recommendations are accepted for few Officials one ministry and not accepted for other officials of other ministries. This leads to descrimination. Only officials of some particular powerfull lobies are able to get the pay scales which are even not recommended by the 6PC and peoples like IPOs are not able to get the legtimate /recommended identicle scale by 6PC.For example see the GP of pharmacists, Assistants of CSS, AF HQ, JE of Railways etc. Their GP was recommended less than the current GP.Why dit they get higher GP without even mention in the higher GP/upgradation of in the 6PC report.
I hope all IPOs will start writting the Postcards immediately to all mentioned persons/bodies.
Dear friends, The Dharna idea is good but the time factor may be little bit problematic. I suggest we should write Postcards to all media houses and President,Prime minister,Min of Comm & IT, fINANCE MINISTER etc to highlight our case.We should specifically mention the recommendation of expert committee say 6 Pay commission recommendation and its acceptance for identicle scale with Income taX/CE Inspectors.What happened to that?Where is IPO and Income tax/CE Inspectors in respect of GP? We shoudl mention how we are forced to accept 4200 GP whrease Income tax /CE Inspectors have already been granted 4600GP. Where is justice despite the 6PC favourable report? Who are the DG/CPMGs/MOFs to decide the GP issue of IPOs if the 6PC has already given their decision. iF THEY ARE THE decision makers then where is the need of Pay commission?Why should Govt. waste crores of Rs. on Pay commission? All IPOs please send 10-20 Postcards to President of India,Primeminister of India, Finance Min. of India,Min of comm & IT,DG, reputed news channels say STAR NEWS, ZEE NEWS,INDIA TODAY, AAJTAK,SAHARA NEWS in a month and ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE biased policy of Ministries with IPOs. Please send at least one Post card daily.Expenditure will be just Rs.5-10 and every IPO can afford rgis amount. If any IPOs dont like to mention their name in Post casrd they may mention their Sub Division name in the Postcard.
Above idea and its execution at least can expose the attitude/actions of our highest officers towards IPOs.The expert ommittee say 6PC is useless if its recommendations are accepted for few Officials one ministry and not accepted for other officials of other ministries. This leads to descrimination. Only officials of some particular powerfull lobies are able to get the pay scales which are even not recommended by the 6PC and peoples like IPOs are not able to get the legtimate /recommended identicle scale by 6PC.For example see the GP of pharmacists, Assistants of CSS, AF HQ, JE of Railways etc. Their GP was recommended less than the current GP.Why dit they get higher GP without even mention in the higher GP/upgradation of in the 6PC report.
I hope all IPOs will start writting the Postcards immediately to all mentioned persons/bodies.
Dear friends, The Dharna idea is good but the time factor may be little bit problematic. I suggest we should write Postcards to all media houses and President,Prime minister,Min of Comm & IT, fINANCE MINISTER etc to highlight our case.We should specifically mention the recommendation of expert committee say 6 Pay commission recommendation and its acceptance for identicle scale with Income taX/CE Inspectors.What happened to that?Where is IPO and Income tax/CE Inspectors in respect of GP? We shoudl mention how we are forced to accept 4200 GP whrease Income tax /CE Inspectors have already been granted 4600GP. Where is justice despite the 6PC favourable report? Who are the DG/CPMGs/MOFs to decide the GP issue of IPOs if the 6PC has already given their decision. iF THEY ARE THE decision makers then where is the need of Pay commission?Why should Govt. waste crores of Rs. on Pay commission? All IPOs please send 10-20 Postcards to President of India,Primeminister of India, Finance Min. of India,Min of comm & IT,DG, reputed news channels say STAR NEWS, ZEE NEWS,INDIA TODAY, AAJTAK,SAHARA NEWS in a month and ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE biased policy of Ministries with IPOs. Please send at least one Post card daily.Expenditure will be just Rs.5-10 and every IPO can afford rgis amount. If any IPOs dont like to mention their name in Post casrd they may mention their Sub Division name in the Postcard.
Above idea and its execution at least can expose the attitude/actions of our highest officers towards IPOs.The expert ommittee say 6PC is useless if its recommendations are accepted for few Officials one ministry and not accepted for other officials of other ministries. This leads to descrimination. Only officials of some particular powerfull lobies are able to get the pay scales which are even not recommended by the 6PC and peoples like IPOs are not able to get the legtimate /recommended identicle scale by 6PC.For example see the GP of pharmacists, Assistants of CSS, AF HQ, JE of Railways etc. Their GP was recommended less than the current GP.Why dit they get higher GP without even mention in the higher GP/upgradation of in the 6PC report.
I hope all IPOs will start writting the Postcards immediately to all mentioned persons/bodies.
Dear friends, The Dharna idea is good but the time factor may be little bit problematic. I suggest we should write Postcards to all media houses and President,Prime minister,Min of Comm & IT, fINANCE MINISTER etc to highlight our case.We should specifically mention the recommendation of expert committee say 6 Pay commission recommendation and its acceptance for identicle scale with Income taX/CE Inspectors.What happened to that?Where is IPO and Income tax/CE Inspectors in respect of GP? We shoudl mention how we are forced to accept 4200 GP whrease Income tax /CE Inspectors have already been granted 4600GP. Where is justice despite the 6PC favourable report? Who are the DG/CPMGs/MOFs to decide the GP issue of IPOs if the 6PC has already given their decision. iF THEY ARE THE decision makers then where is the need of Pay commission?Why should Govt. waste crores of Rs. on Pay commission? All IPOs please send 10-20 Postcards to President of India,Primeminister of India, Finance Min. of India,Min of comm & IT,DG, reputed news channels say STAR NEWS, ZEE NEWS,INDIA TODAY, AAJTAK,SAHARA NEWS in a month and ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE biased policy of Ministries with IPOs. Please send at least one Post card daily.Expenditure will be just Rs.5-10 and every IPO can afford rgis amount. If any IPOs dont like to mention their name in Post casrd they may mention their Sub Division name in the Postcard.
Above idea and its execution at least can expose the attitude/actions of our highest officers towards IPOs.The expert ommittee say 6PC is useless if its recommendations are accepted for few Officials one ministry and not accepted for other officials of other ministries. This leads to descrimination. Only officials of some particular powerfull lobies are able to get the pay scales which are even not recommended by the 6PC and peoples like IPOs are not able to get the legtimate /recommended identicle scale by 6PC.For example see the GP of pharmacists, Assistants of CSS, AF HQ, JE of Railways etc. Their GP was recommended less than the current GP.Why dit they get higher GP without even mention in the higher GP/upgradation of in the 6PC report.
I hope all IPOs will start writting the Postcards immediately to all mentioned persons/bodies.
Dear friends, The Dharna idea is good but the time factor may be little bit problematic. I suggest we should write Postcards to all media houses and President,Prime minister,Min of Comm & IT, fINANCE MINISTER etc to highlight our case.We should specifically mention the recommendation of expert committee say 6 Pay commission recommendation and its acceptance for identicle scale with Income taX/CE Inspectors.What happened to that?Where is IPO and Income tax/CE Inspectors in respect of GP? We shoudl mention how we are forced to accept 4200 GP whrease Income tax /CE Inspectors have already been granted 4600GP. Where is justice despite the 6PC favourable report? Who are the DG/CPMGs/MOFs to decide the GP issue of IPOs if the 6PC has already given their decision. iF THEY ARE THE decision makers then where is the need of Pay commission?Why should Govt. waste crores of Rs. on Pay commission? All IPOs please send 10-20 Postcards to President of India,Primeminister of India, Finance Min. of India,Min of comm & IT,DG, reputed news channels say STAR NEWS, ZEE NEWS,INDIA TODAY, AAJTAK,SAHARA NEWS in a month and ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE biased policy of Ministries with IPOs. Please send at least one Post card daily.Expenditure will be just Rs.5-10 and every IPO can afford rgis amount. If any IPOs dont like to mention their name in Post casrd they may mention their Sub Division name in the Postcard.
Above idea and its execution at least can expose the attitude/actions of our highest officers towards IPOs.The expert ommittee say 6PC is useless if its recommendations are accepted for few Officials one ministry and not accepted for other officials of other ministries. This leads to descrimination. Only officials of some particular powerfull lobies are able to get the pay scales which are even not recommended by the 6PC and peoples like IPOs are not able to get the legtimate /recommended identicle scale by 6PC.For example see the GP of pharmacists, Assistants of CSS, AF HQ, JE of Railways etc. Their GP was recommended less than the current GP.Why dit they get higher GP without even mention in the higher GP/upgradation of in the 6PC report.
I hope all IPOs will start writting the Postcards immediately to all mentioned persons/bodies.
Dear friends, The Dharna idea is good but the time factor may be little bit problematic. I suggest we should write Postcards to all media houses and President,Prime minister,Min of Comm & IT, fINANCE MINISTER etc to highlight our case.We should specifically mention the recommendation of expert committee say 6 Pay commission recommendation and its acceptance for identicle scale with Income taX/CE Inspectors.What happened to that?Where is IPO and Income tax/CE Inspectors in respect of GP? We shoudl mention how we are forced to accept 4200 GP whrease Income tax /CE Inspectors have already been granted 4600GP. Where is justice despite the 6PC favourable report? Who are the DG/CPMGs/MOFs to decide the GP issue of IPOs if the 6PC has already given their decision. iF THEY ARE THE decision makers then where is the need of Pay commission?Why should Govt. waste crores of Rs. on Pay commission? All IPOs please send 10-20 Postcards to President of India,Primeminister of India, Finance Min. of India,Min of comm & IT,DG, reputed news channels say STAR NEWS, ZEE NEWS,INDIA TODAY, AAJTAK,SAHARA NEWS in a month and ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE biased policy of Ministries with IPOs. Please send at least one Post card daily.Expenditure will be just Rs.5-10 and every IPO can afford rgis amount. If any IPOs dont like to mention their name in Post casrd they may mention their Sub Division name in the Postcard.
Above idea and its execution at least can expose the attitude/actions of our highest officers towards IPOs.The expert ommittee say 6PC is useless if its recommendations are accepted for few Officials one ministry and not accepted for other officials of other ministries. This leads to descrimination. Only officials of some particular powerfull lobies are able to get the pay scales which are even not recommended by the 6PC and peoples like IPOs are not able to get the legtimate /recommended identicle scale by 6PC.For example see the GP of pharmacists, Assistants of CSS, AF HQ, JE of Railways etc. Their GP was recommended less than the current GP.Why dit they get higher GP without even mention in the higher GP/upgradation of in the 6PC report.
I hope all IPOs will start writting the Postcards immediately to all mentioned persons/bodies.
Dear P Kumar ji, I welcome your suggestion as to sending post card to all required address along with Media chennels. As many as possible we should do this we should also take staff of other department in confidence. do what is capable to bring justice to us whether dharna, post card compaign, strike or whatsoever... I am with u people. one more thing I would like to say everybody should be continued to express views on net so that we may be aware of one-other ideas and feel unity. Ya to hum desh ko aajad karaege ya aajad karate hue shahid ho jaege. "Mar ke bhi na niklegi dil se vatan ki ulphat, meri mitti se bhi khushabue vatan aaegi."
Present Circle Secretary of Maharashtra is one of the twisters in Dpartment right from bottom to top.There are huge no. of twisters in DOP at higher level,lower level and this is the basic reason that DOP is Loss making organisation.
Sir, have u collected all the required documents. have the advocate prepared the rejoinder. what is the advocate saying. do we have any hope. we are all praying for the court case. sir pleae reply. Nothing has been heard from you for long time.
Permanandji, Please reply on above comment.We have all hope on CAT case and also on you who dared to fight against all enemies of IPOs GP issue.Hope you will update the matter after discussion with Advocate.
Today I accompanied GS to meet ADG for submitting representation for speedy disposal of merger of IP/ASP cadres and early conduction of DPC for group B etc.
ADG said that file relating to merger of cadre was returned with some query by internal finance wing. .
He is asking us to give a letter for agreeing merger and also ready to forgo gazetted status which is being given to gazetted status some years back
I discussed the proposal of maintaining the existing IP and ASP cadre with same grade pay. For this he said we cannot make such proposals as no department is having such instances and asked us to give such instance if any in other department with documentary proof for sending the proposal.
I asked the possibility of upgrading all IPs into ASPs, but he denied that since ASP is gazetted any direct recruitment has to be done through UPSC and this will lead to change of recruitment guidelines.
He was also asking us to give the recruitment guidelines of Inspectors of income tax department for examination and taking valid points if any.
If u have any documentary proof exception to the above conditions, please forward to me urgently for taking further necessary action.
In addition to this he was suggesting to give proposal for increasing promotion from IPO to Group B from 16% ((% for general line) quota to 75% and to decrease the quota from existing 75% to 16% on promotion quota. As this will create around 150 vacancies every year for group B from IP line and there by many will get a chance to pass the exam and get 4800/- on completion of 5 years of service and after passing the exam. He said if this is approved some young IPs can reach to Director level.
But I don’t know how this proposal will be accepted by IPS officers as, Direct IPs may reach even DPS level on their fag end and their promotion may block for some years. This is my personal opinion and I have not studied this proposal till now. More over many seniors may not agree for this.
Even if Cat case favours us and do not issue any direction, implementation will not take place unless ASP issue is solved. I think, We may have to loose gazetted status and there is no other go.
If somebody can provide us some evidence for having same grade for two promotional cadres or if any recruitment is going on through staff selection commission for gazetted post. Please share with us.
Today I accompanied GS to meet ADG for submitting representation for speedy disposal of merger of IP/ASP cadres and early conduction of DPC for group B etc.
ADG said that file relating to merger of cadre was returned with some query by internal finance wing. .
He is asking us to give a letter for agreeing merger and also ready to forgo gazetted status which is being given to gazetted status some years back
I discussed the proposal of maintaining the existing IP and ASP cadre with same grade pay. For this he said we cannot make such proposals as no department is having such instances and asked us to give such instance if any in other department with documentary proof for sending the proposal.
I asked the possibility of upgrading all IPs into ASPs, but he denied that since ASP is gazetted any direct recruitment has to be done through UPSC and this will lead to change of recruitment guidelines.
He was also asking us to give the recruitment guidelines of Inspectors of income tax department for examination and taking valid points if any.
If u have any documentary proof exception to the above conditions, please forward to me urgently for taking further necessary action.
In addition to this he was suggesting to give proposal for increasing promotion from IPO to Group B from 16% ((% for general line) quota to 75% and to decrease the quota from existing 75% to 16% on promotion quota. As this will create around 150 vacancies every year for group B from IP line and there by many will get a chance to pass the exam and get 4800/- on completion of 5 years of service and after passing the exam. He said if this is approved some young IPs can reach to Director level.
But I don’t know how this proposal will be accepted by IPS officers as, Direct IPs may reach even DPS level on their fag end and their promotion may block for some years. This is my personal opinion and I have not studied this proposal till now. More over many seniors may not agree for this.
Even if Cat case favours us and do not issue any direction, implementation will not take place unless ASP issue is solved. I think, We may have to loose gazetted status and there is no other go.
If somebody can provide us some evidence for having same grade for two promotional cadres or if any recruitment is going on through staff selection commission for gazetted post. Please share with us.
Dear jayanth ji, If the Department feels that there is hierarchical problem because of existence of ASPOs in the Dept. of Post, the solution for the same should have been made, instead denying the parity to Inspector Posts with Inspectors in CBDT/CBEC and Assistants in CSS. As asked by you, I am giving few examples of some promotional posts, having the same grade pay in the same pay band:
In Defence Accounts Department: Sr. Accounts Officer and Assistant Controller of Defence Accounts (ACDA): Grade pay Rs.5400 in PB-3
In Postal Accounts Office (PAO): Sr. Accounts Officer and Assistant Chief Accounts Officer (ACAO): Grade pay Rs.5400 in PB-3
In CAG Office: Sr. Audit officer and Assistant Accountant General(AAG) : Grade pay Rs 5400 in PB-3
Ministry of Defence, Naval Civilian: Assistant and Office Superintendent: Grade pay Rs.4200 in PB-2 Assistant Foreman and Foreman: Grade pay Rs.4600 in PB-2
If two posts (one promotional to other) can be in the same Grade pay in the same pay band in other Departments, Inspector posts and Assistant Superintendent of Posts can also lie in the same Grade pay of Rs.4600 in PB-2. There is no need to merge the IP and ASP Cadre, as the department is suggesting. Thanks. Permanand.
Department is just trying to drag the issue by creating some differences between IP and ASP Cadre, knowing the fact that some senoir ASPOs will not be ready for leaving their Gazetted status. We should not allow the trap of the Dept. rather we should defend as mentioned above. In future, if the GP of SPOs are upgraded to Rs.5400, there will be a scope to fix the GP of ASPOs as Rs.4800 in between IP and SPOs. Association should defend the case properly.
It is also informed that Assistant and Section Officer in the CSS Cadre had been in 6500-200-10500/- scale up to implementation of sixth Pay commission. If u want proof for two different conseqeutive posts in the same pay scale ask for pay slip of Assistant in ministry (CSS cadre)& Section Officer of back months.
this happend when assistants were given 6500/- scale from 5500/-whereas Section officers were already in 6500/- scale. Those section officers did not oppose this and accepted. this the win win situation. no jealousy . u win and I win too.
Permanandji, I agree with you. Deptt or Jayantji may be spreading the news just to create differences between IPOs/ASPOs.If Jayantji is true then why GS is silent in the matter. GS should have written the disccussed matter in the blog. Any way IPOs wantGP of 4600 by hook or crook.If we will not get GP of 4600 DOP will only loose in long run. IPOs of today and tomorrow will not forgive Deptt for worst treatment despite clear recommendations of 6th Pay commission and its acceptance on pay parity issue with other inspectors. We IPOs are kept on par with Mail overseers . It is shamefull act done by Deptt.Now it is clear the pay commissions and its reports are only for the power full loby . If we are not in power full loby we will not get the benifits even after the recommendations of Pay commissions.See how politicians raised their salary within 2-3 days as per their whims and fancy.Perhaps if the politicians would have been under the DOP they would have not got single paisa hike in their salary due to very very talented /masters/twisters in DOP who would have raised hundreds of querys like their elections,graduate, under graduate, castes , OBC Quaota, other quotas, City location, Trains facility, Aitr Facility, Tel allowonaces, House allowances, MLA salaries, etc. etc.
"Mera Bharat Mahan."
In this copuntry only powerfull can get justice easily.Peoples like poor IPOs has to struggle... long battle.
Comeon , what do u mean. Whatever discussed i have put in th blog. In fact Me and my friends are fighting for grade pay/upgradation from 2006.We are the first person to fight in the bangalore court against the wishes of then association.If u dont want to discuss or reveal the fact then i will stop
Infact we told that we are not ready to give any conditional approval for merger.
Dear Jayant, Congrates. I was not aware about your fight. I am sorry for my comments. I hope you will continue to fight the case and support the Permanad in true spirit. Best wishes .
I think u must have misunderstood my comments. That was ADGs view. We should fight to prove against his views, that is why i called for some docuemnts. Mr.permanand assured me to spare some documents with this we are going to give representations .
I have one suggestion. Is it possible to have both IP and ASP with same grade pay ie Rs4600/- When IP officials are promoted as ASP (as normal promotion) let the promoted IPs get Gazetted status then only. In this way IP will get the Grade Pay Rs4600 (for which they are demanding) and ASPs will not loose their Gazetted Status. I dont know much about Rules. Is it possible. It is only a suggestion.
SIR, IPOs has only demanded identicle pay scale with other Inspectors i.e I.Tax/CE wef 1.1.2006 with similar pay fixation.Alternatively IPOs should get 4600 GP i.e. on par with I.Tx/CE Inspectors.This has also been recommended by 6PC and accepted by GOVT.We should not mix up matters and DOP has tried to mix up the matters and draged IPOs grade pay at dead end.
it is noticed that in our department sr. Account officer and Asst. Chief accounts officer are having same grade pay in PB-3. Later is promotional Post .The oly difference is former is group B and later is Group A. We may ask maintianng the asp cadre with gazetted status with same grade pay
Dear friends I am one of the ASPs .Nice to see the efforts from all of u.But the dept uses to take dual standards .Since we have no nuisance value usually the dept turns a deaf ear to all your gunuine demands.I have been observing this for more than 15 years. The campaign of post cards are of no use since u r not in a regime of Mahatma gandhiji. The department denied the promotion of IPOs who qualified as JAOs which is against fundamental rights and IPs ASPs association was a mere spectator for this onslought.The dept issued transfer and posting orders to all other qualified officials when a case on this was pending which in the opinion of department is not subjudice.But when the issue of pay scales is taken up by the IPASPs association the department is telling that the issue cannot be settled now as a court case is pending.This is an example for double standards adapted by the department.U cannot expect justice form the department.
Please see gp 4600 fixation of AIR STENO I,II AND UDC(ACP)w.e.f 1-1-2006 at gconnect today which maintained parity upto CSS Assistant level.
ReplyDeleteCan U email the copy to ipgp4600@gmail.com
ReplyDelete1. Fact of no comparison between central secretariat service and those of Inspectors of Department of Post.
ReplyDelete1. The Sixth pay commission has recommended that
“Postal Inspectors in Department of Posts have demanded a higher pay scale of Rs.6500-10500 on par with inspectors and analogous posts in CBDT/CBEC as well as Assistants of Central Secretariat Service on the ground that they are recruited through the same examination. The commission is recommending the merger of pre-revised pay scales of Rs.500-9000 and Rs.6500-10500 which will automatically bring Inspector (posts) on par with Assistants in CSS/Inspectors and analogous Posts in CBDT and CBEC……”
Accordingly, the pay parity amongst the Inspectors working in various departments including posts, Income Tax, Customs & Excise, etc., has been accepted. Hence, the contention of the Respondent that there was no parity between Inspectors of Department of Posts & Income Tax & Excise, is not well founded, that too when the recommendations of IV, V & VI CPC is examined & applied, keeping in mind the changes brought out by the Respondent in turn with the suggestions made by these Commissions, being expert bodies in the field of pay fixation, etc. That, in view of the V and VI CPC recommendations, only after having found that the job profile, work load and qualification, which are comparable, the Government of India had granted same pay scales to all the Inspectors of Posts, Income Tax, Central Excise.
2. The department agrees in his para no.6(Page no.4) that Inspectors were only in the upgraded scale notionally and for them the replacement scale eligible is PB-2 with grade pay of Rs.4200/-. The learned pay commission found parity among these cadres and to bring parity the scale was upgraded and brought on par with other inspectors. Hence, any up gradation of pay scales given to other inspectors should be applicable on su-moto to bring justice to Postal Inspectors, whether it is notional replacement or actual replacement, otherwise it attracts discrimination .
ReplyDelete3. Please see common notification for recruitment of Inspectors and analogues post published in the employment news dated 30.01.10, Inspector of Income tax(CBDT) are Group C employees and they are given higher grade pay of Rs.4600/- and Inspector being a Group B officers are denied grade pay of Rs.4600/- and which shows postal inspectors are higher in status but lower when it comes to grade pay. We being Inspector with Group B officer are made on par with CBI Sub Inspectors who are in Group C category of staff with grade pay of Rs.4200/-
4. The Inspector of Posts are the appointing authorities in respect of several categories of Gramin Dak Sevaks. The Schedule of Appointing Authorities under Rule 4 of the Gramin Dak Sevak (Conduct & Employment) Rules, is extracted herein below:
ReplyDeleteSCHEDULE OF APPOINTING AUTORITIES
(See Rule 4)
Post Offices
Sl. No. Name of the Post Appointing Authority
1 2 3
1 Gramin Dak Sevak Sub-Postmaster Head of the Division
2 Gramin Dak Sevak Branch Postmaster Head of the Division
3 Gramin Dak Sevak Mail Deliverer Deputy Presidency Postmaster; Gazetted Postmaster including Gazetted sub-Postmaster in charge of Town Post Office, Postmaster in Higher of Lower Selection Grade (in own office) except of Postmaster in charge of a Town Sub-Office, Inspector of Post Offices/Assistant Superintendent of Post Offices (in all other offices)
4 Gramin Dak Sevak Mail Carrier
5 Gramin Dak Sevak Mail Packer
6 Gramin Dak Sevak Mail Messenger
7 Gramin Dak Sevak Stamp Vendor
Railway Mail Service
1 Gramin Dak Sevak Mailman Inspector/Assistant Superintendent, Railway Mail Service, Sub-Record Officer/Head Record Officer.
They are also the Disciplinary authorities for them. Whereas the Inspector of Income Tax/Central Excise & Customs have no such power vested in them. Even for the postman/mail guard & Grade ‘D’, the Inspector of Post is the Disciplinary authority. The nature of Penalties which they can impose are enumerated in Rule 9 of the GDS (Conduct & Employment) Rules which has been extracted herein below:-
“ 9. Nature of Penalties:
The following penalties may, for good and sufficient reasons and as hereinafter provided, be imposed on a Sevak by the Appointing authority, namely:-
(i) Censure:
(ii) Debarring of a Sevak from appearing in the recruitment examination for the post of Postman and/or from being considered for recruitment as Postal Assistants/Sorting Assistants for a period of one year or two years or for a period not exceeding three years.
(iii) Debarring of a Sevak from being considered for recruitment to Group ‘D’ for a period not exceeding three years;
(iv) Recovery from Time Related Continuity Allowance of the whole or part of any pecuniary loss caused to the Government by negligence or breach of orders;
(v) Removal from employment which shall not be a disqualification for future employment;
(vi) Dismissal from employment which shall ordinarily be a disqualification for future employment.”
5. The administrative powers vested in the Inspector of Posts are noted herein below and whereas these powers are not vested with the Inspectors of Income Tax, Customs/Central Excise.
ReplyDeleteSl. No. Nature of Power Extent of Power Remarks
1 2 3 4
APPOINTMENTS, PENALTIES AND APPEALS
(See Schedule No.1)
1 Power to transfer from one office to another in the same time scale in his subdivision any official whom he is authorized to appoint Full powers, subject to the provisions of rule 37 of the Posts and Telegraphs Manual, Volume IV. Rule 38 of the Postal Manual Volume IV.
RESIGNATIONS
2 Power to accept resignation of an official. May accept the resignation of any one whom he is authorized to appoint Rule 158 (1) of the Postal Manual Volume III.
MISCELLANEOUS
3 Power to grant casual leave. Powers as defined in rules 99 to 102 of the Posts and Telegraphs manual. Volume IV.
6. In pursuance to the recommendations of the V-CPC, the Respondent has merged the cadres of IPOS, IRMS & Inspectors (Uniform) into a single cadre with nomenclature of ‘Inspector of Posts’. The workload of these Inspector of Posts have been increased by leaps & bounds since July 2001 and each one of the Inspector of Posts in required to acquire & acquaint with additional knowledge and the extra work, thereon. Thus, the workload, which the Inspectors of Posts are required to carry, is heavier than that of Inspectors of Income Tax, Customs and Central Excise.
7. The Inspectors of Posts are discharging most arduous duties and higher responsibilities including that of supervision of the job of General line HSG-1I units and HSG I units which are in the grade pay scale of Rs.4200/-and Rs.4600/- respectively, thus the principle of Supervisor should have more pay than the supervised is not followed at present.
8. That, the Respondents are aware that the Inspectors of Posts discharge the most onerous duties and shoulder the higher responsibilities, which are not in any way inferior to that of the Inspectors of Income Tax and precisely for that reason the V and VI -CPC have recommended uniform pay scales to all of them. The 2nd respondent even recommended higher grade to the inspectors and sent the proposal to the ministry of finance.
9. Hence, the decision of the I & II Respondents in not considering the claim of the Applicants properly is hit by Articles 14 & 16 of the Constitution of India. According to the Applicants the I & II Respondents have not applied their mind fully, but have mechanically rejected their claim without any study.
jayanth
Due to MACP, the grade pay of Mail Overseers and some postmen staff whose Crs are written by the Inspector Posts also is in the same grade pay of Rs 4200.
ReplyDeleteDEAR JANTH,
ReplyDeleteI APPRECIATE YOUR CAREFUL STUDY.BUT WHO WILL LISTEN OUR PROBLEMS. WE IPOs are GrB GAZZ/NON GAZZ BUT GR. C IN I.TX/CBI TAKES HIGHER GP THAN IPO. WHAT A JOKE IT IS? WE SHOULD WRITE THIS ISSUE IN MEDIA AND LET NATION OR PEOPLES OF INDIA OR CENTRAL GOVT. EMPLOYEES KNOW THE FACTS.HOW IPOS ARE TREATED AS BEGGARS. THIS ITSELF IS CLEAR JOKE AND IMAGINE WHO ARE THE HANDLERS OF DOP.WHAT IS THEIR LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE.THEY ARE THE MASTER TWISTERS. THEY ARE LIKE LIKE "KASAB BROTHERS".THEY CAN GO TO ANY LEVEL TO DENY 4600 GP TO IPOS.WE can imagine where is the DOP and in whose hands? DOP will never succeed if these or such narrow or discrinatory type of peoples are in the higher levels of Department of Posts.
Mera Bharat Mahan . Mera DOP Mahan.JAI HO.
Hello friend, I have been selected as an Inspector of Post through CGL 2008. I have been regularly watching this blog for GP hike. Pl guide me what can I do for our struggle in Grade pay hike as a fresher. Birju Kumar
ReplyDeleteHello Birju. I am also in dilema whether to join or not as I m working as assistant 4200 G.P. with 3 increment. I have heard that there is a heavy work load in this deptt. If 4600 G.P. is given then its ok. otherwise.... if lien is given then also ok to taste the work of Postal deptt.
ReplyDeleteJayat has really done exemplery. I appreciate him. we should also bring our case to media for making it popular and let govt. feel embarrassment. satya
unity is strength. be united. as far as I know the direct inspector in postal depatt.are of same intellect power as in Income tax or other inspector selected by SSC therefore the inspector of posts must be able to get 4600 G.P. there might be delay but the success is inevitable.
ReplyDeleteSir,
ReplyDeleteGP 4600 is inevitable O.K.But the matter of GP 4600 has been twisted by master twisters in Dpartment right from bottom to top.There are huge no. of twisters in DOP at higher level,lower level and this is the basic reason that DOP is Loss making organisation.Now it is the job of Advocate concerned in CAT to expose the twisters plans,designs & their conspiracy against the Inspectors for GP 4600.
Plz propose a dharna with black badge of all IPs at important offices like DoP, MoF, Prime Min. Office. etc. taking media people altogether.
ReplyDeleteSir,
ReplyDeleteI agree with plan of DHARNA.Let media expose all top level officers of pay commission /DOP/MOF.All ministries sortyed GP issue of 4600 except DOP for IPOs. MOF is also partner with DOP twisters.Pl.contact channels if any body has friends with media.
Thanks
Dear friends,
ReplyDeleteThe Dharna idea is good but the time factor may be little bit problematic. I suggest we should write Postcards to all media houses and President,Prime minister,Min of Comm & IT, fINANCE MINISTER etc to highlight our case.We should specifically mention the recommendation of expert committee say 6 Pay commission recommendation and its acceptance for identicle scale with Income taX/CE Inspectors.What happened to that?Where is IPO and Income tax/CE Inspectors in respect of GP? We shoudl mention how we are forced to accept 4200 GP whrease Income tax /CE Inspectors have already been granted 4600GP. Where is justice despite the 6PC favourable report? Who are the DG/CPMGs/MOFs to decide the GP issue of IPOs if the 6PC has already given their decision. iF THEY ARE THE decision makers then where is the need of Pay commission?Why should Govt. waste crores of Rs. on Pay commission?
All IPOs please send 10-20 Postcards to President of India,Primeminister of India, Finance Min. of India,Min of comm & IT,DG, reputed news channels say STAR NEWS, ZEE NEWS,INDIA TODAY, AAJTAK,SAHARA NEWS in a month and ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE biased policy of Ministries with IPOs.
Please send at least one Post card daily.Expenditure will be just Rs.5-10 and every IPO can afford rgis amount.
If any IPOs dont like to mention their name in Post casrd they may mention their Sub Division name in the Postcard.
Above idea and its execution at least can expose the attitude/actions of our highest officers towards IPOs.The expert ommittee say 6PC is useless if its recommendations are accepted for few Officials one ministry and not accepted for other officials of other ministries. This leads to descrimination. Only officials of some particular powerfull lobies are able to get the pay scales which are even not recommended by the 6PC and peoples like IPOs are not able to get the legtimate /recommended identicle scale by 6PC.For example see the GP of pharmacists, Assistants of CSS, AF HQ, JE of Railways etc. Their GP was recommended less than the current GP.Why dit they get higher GP without even mention in the higher GP/upgradation of in the 6PC report.
I hope all IPOs will start writting the Postcards immediately to all mentioned persons/bodies.
Thanks
P.Kumar
Dear friends,
ReplyDeleteThe Dharna idea is good but the time factor may be little bit problematic. I suggest we should write Postcards to all media houses and President,Prime minister,Min of Comm & IT, fINANCE MINISTER etc to highlight our case.We should specifically mention the recommendation of expert committee say 6 Pay commission recommendation and its acceptance for identicle scale with Income taX/CE Inspectors.What happened to that?Where is IPO and Income tax/CE Inspectors in respect of GP? We shoudl mention how we are forced to accept 4200 GP whrease Income tax /CE Inspectors have already been granted 4600GP. Where is justice despite the 6PC favourable report? Who are the DG/CPMGs/MOFs to decide the GP issue of IPOs if the 6PC has already given their decision. iF THEY ARE THE decision makers then where is the need of Pay commission?Why should Govt. waste crores of Rs. on Pay commission?
All IPOs please send 10-20 Postcards to President of India,Primeminister of India, Finance Min. of India,Min of comm & IT,DG, reputed news channels say STAR NEWS, ZEE NEWS,INDIA TODAY, AAJTAK,SAHARA NEWS in a month and ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE biased policy of Ministries with IPOs.
Please send at least one Post card daily.Expenditure will be just Rs.5-10 and every IPO can afford rgis amount.
If any IPOs dont like to mention their name in Post casrd they may mention their Sub Division name in the Postcard.
Above idea and its execution at least can expose the attitude/actions of our highest officers towards IPOs.The expert ommittee say 6PC is useless if its recommendations are accepted for few Officials one ministry and not accepted for other officials of other ministries. This leads to descrimination. Only officials of some particular powerfull lobies are able to get the pay scales which are even not recommended by the 6PC and peoples like IPOs are not able to get the legtimate /recommended identicle scale by 6PC.For example see the GP of pharmacists, Assistants of CSS, AF HQ, JE of Railways etc. Their GP was recommended less than the current GP.Why dit they get higher GP without even mention in the higher GP/upgradation of in the 6PC report.
I hope all IPOs will start writting the Postcards immediately to all mentioned persons/bodies.
Thanks
P.Kumar
Dear friends,
ReplyDeleteThe Dharna idea is good but the time factor may be little bit problematic. I suggest we should write Postcards to all media houses and President,Prime minister,Min of Comm & IT, fINANCE MINISTER etc to highlight our case.We should specifically mention the recommendation of expert committee say 6 Pay commission recommendation and its acceptance for identicle scale with Income taX/CE Inspectors.What happened to that?Where is IPO and Income tax/CE Inspectors in respect of GP? We shoudl mention how we are forced to accept 4200 GP whrease Income tax /CE Inspectors have already been granted 4600GP. Where is justice despite the 6PC favourable report? Who are the DG/CPMGs/MOFs to decide the GP issue of IPOs if the 6PC has already given their decision. iF THEY ARE THE decision makers then where is the need of Pay commission?Why should Govt. waste crores of Rs. on Pay commission?
All IPOs please send 10-20 Postcards to President of India,Primeminister of India, Finance Min. of India,Min of comm & IT,DG, reputed news channels say STAR NEWS, ZEE NEWS,INDIA TODAY, AAJTAK,SAHARA NEWS in a month and ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE biased policy of Ministries with IPOs.
Please send at least one Post card daily.Expenditure will be just Rs.5-10 and every IPO can afford rgis amount.
If any IPOs dont like to mention their name in Post casrd they may mention their Sub Division name in the Postcard.
Above idea and its execution at least can expose the attitude/actions of our highest officers towards IPOs.The expert ommittee say 6PC is useless if its recommendations are accepted for few Officials one ministry and not accepted for other officials of other ministries. This leads to descrimination. Only officials of some particular powerfull lobies are able to get the pay scales which are even not recommended by the 6PC and peoples like IPOs are not able to get the legtimate /recommended identicle scale by 6PC.For example see the GP of pharmacists, Assistants of CSS, AF HQ, JE of Railways etc. Their GP was recommended less than the current GP.Why dit they get higher GP without even mention in the higher GP/upgradation of in the 6PC report.
I hope all IPOs will start writting the Postcards immediately to all mentioned persons/bodies.
Thanks
P.Kumar
Dear friends,
ReplyDeleteThe Dharna idea is good but the time factor may be little bit problematic. I suggest we should write Postcards to all media houses and President,Prime minister,Min of Comm & IT, fINANCE MINISTER etc to highlight our case.We should specifically mention the recommendation of expert committee say 6 Pay commission recommendation and its acceptance for identicle scale with Income taX/CE Inspectors.What happened to that?Where is IPO and Income tax/CE Inspectors in respect of GP? We shoudl mention how we are forced to accept 4200 GP whrease Income tax /CE Inspectors have already been granted 4600GP. Where is justice despite the 6PC favourable report? Who are the DG/CPMGs/MOFs to decide the GP issue of IPOs if the 6PC has already given their decision. iF THEY ARE THE decision makers then where is the need of Pay commission?Why should Govt. waste crores of Rs. on Pay commission?
All IPOs please send 10-20 Postcards to President of India,Primeminister of India, Finance Min. of India,Min of comm & IT,DG, reputed news channels say STAR NEWS, ZEE NEWS,INDIA TODAY, AAJTAK,SAHARA NEWS in a month and ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE biased policy of Ministries with IPOs.
Please send at least one Post card daily.Expenditure will be just Rs.5-10 and every IPO can afford rgis amount.
If any IPOs dont like to mention their name in Post casrd they may mention their Sub Division name in the Postcard.
Above idea and its execution at least can expose the attitude/actions of our highest officers towards IPOs.The expert ommittee say 6PC is useless if its recommendations are accepted for few Officials one ministry and not accepted for other officials of other ministries. This leads to descrimination. Only officials of some particular powerfull lobies are able to get the pay scales which are even not recommended by the 6PC and peoples like IPOs are not able to get the legtimate /recommended identicle scale by 6PC.For example see the GP of pharmacists, Assistants of CSS, AF HQ, JE of Railways etc. Their GP was recommended less than the current GP.Why dit they get higher GP without even mention in the higher GP/upgradation of in the 6PC report.
I hope all IPOs will start writting the Postcards immediately to all mentioned persons/bodies.
Thanks
P.Kumar
Dear friends,
ReplyDeleteThe Dharna idea is good but the time factor may be little bit problematic. I suggest we should write Postcards to all media houses and President,Prime minister,Min of Comm & IT, fINANCE MINISTER etc to highlight our case.We should specifically mention the recommendation of expert committee say 6 Pay commission recommendation and its acceptance for identicle scale with Income taX/CE Inspectors.What happened to that?Where is IPO and Income tax/CE Inspectors in respect of GP? We shoudl mention how we are forced to accept 4200 GP whrease Income tax /CE Inspectors have already been granted 4600GP. Where is justice despite the 6PC favourable report? Who are the DG/CPMGs/MOFs to decide the GP issue of IPOs if the 6PC has already given their decision. iF THEY ARE THE decision makers then where is the need of Pay commission?Why should Govt. waste crores of Rs. on Pay commission?
All IPOs please send 10-20 Postcards to President of India,Primeminister of India, Finance Min. of India,Min of comm & IT,DG, reputed news channels say STAR NEWS, ZEE NEWS,INDIA TODAY, AAJTAK,SAHARA NEWS in a month and ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE biased policy of Ministries with IPOs.
Please send at least one Post card daily.Expenditure will be just Rs.5-10 and every IPO can afford rgis amount.
If any IPOs dont like to mention their name in Post casrd they may mention their Sub Division name in the Postcard.
Above idea and its execution at least can expose the attitude/actions of our highest officers towards IPOs.The expert ommittee say 6PC is useless if its recommendations are accepted for few Officials one ministry and not accepted for other officials of other ministries. This leads to descrimination. Only officials of some particular powerfull lobies are able to get the pay scales which are even not recommended by the 6PC and peoples like IPOs are not able to get the legtimate /recommended identicle scale by 6PC.For example see the GP of pharmacists, Assistants of CSS, AF HQ, JE of Railways etc. Their GP was recommended less than the current GP.Why dit they get higher GP without even mention in the higher GP/upgradation of in the 6PC report.
I hope all IPOs will start writting the Postcards immediately to all mentioned persons/bodies.
Thanks
P.Kumar
Dear friends,
ReplyDeleteThe Dharna idea is good but the time factor may be little bit problematic. I suggest we should write Postcards to all media houses and President,Prime minister,Min of Comm & IT, fINANCE MINISTER etc to highlight our case.We should specifically mention the recommendation of expert committee say 6 Pay commission recommendation and its acceptance for identicle scale with Income taX/CE Inspectors.What happened to that?Where is IPO and Income tax/CE Inspectors in respect of GP? We shoudl mention how we are forced to accept 4200 GP whrease Income tax /CE Inspectors have already been granted 4600GP. Where is justice despite the 6PC favourable report? Who are the DG/CPMGs/MOFs to decide the GP issue of IPOs if the 6PC has already given their decision. iF THEY ARE THE decision makers then where is the need of Pay commission?Why should Govt. waste crores of Rs. on Pay commission?
All IPOs please send 10-20 Postcards to President of India,Primeminister of India, Finance Min. of India,Min of comm & IT,DG, reputed news channels say STAR NEWS, ZEE NEWS,INDIA TODAY, AAJTAK,SAHARA NEWS in a month and ALSO HIGHLIGHT THE biased policy of Ministries with IPOs.
Please send at least one Post card daily.Expenditure will be just Rs.5-10 and every IPO can afford rgis amount.
If any IPOs dont like to mention their name in Post casrd they may mention their Sub Division name in the Postcard.
Above idea and its execution at least can expose the attitude/actions of our highest officers towards IPOs.The expert ommittee say 6PC is useless if its recommendations are accepted for few Officials one ministry and not accepted for other officials of other ministries. This leads to descrimination. Only officials of some particular powerfull lobies are able to get the pay scales which are even not recommended by the 6PC and peoples like IPOs are not able to get the legtimate /recommended identicle scale by 6PC.For example see the GP of pharmacists, Assistants of CSS, AF HQ, JE of Railways etc. Their GP was recommended less than the current GP.Why dit they get higher GP without even mention in the higher GP/upgradation of in the 6PC report.
I hope all IPOs will start writting the Postcards immediately to all mentioned persons/bodies.
Thanks
P.Kumar
Dear P Kumar ji, I welcome your suggestion as to sending post card to all required address along with Media chennels. As many as possible we should do this we should also take staff of other department in confidence. do what is capable to bring justice to us whether dharna, post card compaign, strike or whatsoever... I am with u people. one more thing I would like to say everybody should be continued to express views on net so that we may be aware of one-other ideas and feel unity. Ya to hum desh ko aajad karaege ya aajad karate hue shahid ho jaege. "Mar ke bhi na niklegi dil se vatan ki ulphat, meri mitti se bhi khushabue vatan aaegi."
ReplyDeletePresent Circle Secretary of Maharashtra is one of the twisters in Dpartment right from bottom to top.There are huge no. of twisters in DOP at higher level,lower level and this is the basic reason that DOP is Loss making organisation.
ReplyDeleteNice brief and this enter helped me alot in my college assignement. Gratefulness you seeking your information.
ReplyDeletePlease publish the link at your site.
ReplyDeletehttp://ipaspkarnataka.blogspot.com/2010/08/copy-of-application-under-sec6-of-rti.html
Sir,
ReplyDeletehave u collected all the required documents. have the advocate prepared the rejoinder. what is the advocate saying. do we have any hope. we are all praying for the court case. sir pleae reply. Nothing has been heard from you for long time.
Permanandji,
ReplyDeletePlease reply on above comment.We have all hope on CAT case and also on you who dared to fight against all enemies of IPOs GP issue.Hope you will update the matter after discussion with Advocate.
Thanking you,
IP MH Circle
Dear permanandji,
ReplyDeleteToday, I have read this blog first time. I wish my all best wishes for this fight. Please go ahead.
=== Prafulla Wani
IPO Nashik Maharashtra
Permanandji,
ReplyDeletePlease update the progress on rejoinder/views of Adocate on DOP Views etc.
Thanks
IP MH Circle.
hi
ReplyDeleteToday I accompanied GS to meet ADG for submitting representation for speedy disposal of merger of IP/ASP cadres and early conduction of DPC for group B etc.
ADG said that file relating to merger of cadre was returned with some query by internal finance wing. .
He is asking us to give a letter for agreeing merger and also ready to forgo gazetted status which is being given to gazetted status some years back
I discussed the proposal of maintaining the existing IP and ASP cadre with same grade pay. For this he said we cannot make such proposals as no department is having such instances and asked us to give such instance if any in other department with documentary proof for sending the proposal.
I asked the possibility of upgrading all IPs into ASPs, but he denied that since ASP is gazetted any direct recruitment has to be done through UPSC and this will lead to change of recruitment guidelines.
He was also asking us to give the recruitment guidelines of Inspectors of income tax department for examination and taking valid points if any.
If u have any documentary proof exception to the above conditions, please forward to me urgently for taking further necessary action.
In addition to this he was suggesting to give proposal for increasing promotion from IPO to Group B from 16% ((% for general line) quota to 75% and to decrease the quota from existing 75% to 16% on promotion quota. As this will create around 150 vacancies every year for group B from IP line and there by many will get a chance to pass the exam and get 4800/- on completion of 5 years of service and after passing the exam. He said if this is approved some young IPs can reach to Director level.
But I don’t know how this proposal will be accepted by IPS officers as, Direct IPs may reach even DPS level on their fag end and their promotion may block for some years. This is my personal opinion and I have not studied this proposal till now. More over many seniors may not agree for this.
Even if Cat case favours us and do not issue any direction, implementation will not take place unless ASP issue is solved. I think, We may have to loose gazetted status and there is no other go.
If somebody can provide us some evidence for having same grade for two promotional cadres or if any recruitment is going on through staff selection commission for gazetted post. Please share with us.
jayanthputtur@rediffmail.com
hi
ReplyDeleteToday I accompanied GS to meet ADG for submitting representation for speedy disposal of merger of IP/ASP cadres and early conduction of DPC for group B etc.
ADG said that file relating to merger of cadre was returned with some query by internal finance wing. .
He is asking us to give a letter for agreeing merger and also ready to forgo gazetted status which is being given to gazetted status some years back
I discussed the proposal of maintaining the existing IP and ASP cadre with same grade pay. For this he said we cannot make such proposals as no department is having such instances and asked us to give such instance if any in other department with documentary proof for sending the proposal.
I asked the possibility of upgrading all IPs into ASPs, but he denied that since ASP is gazetted any direct recruitment has to be done through UPSC and this will lead to change of recruitment guidelines.
He was also asking us to give the recruitment guidelines of Inspectors of income tax department for examination and taking valid points if any.
If u have any documentary proof exception to the above conditions, please forward to me urgently for taking further necessary action.
In addition to this he was suggesting to give proposal for increasing promotion from IPO to Group B from 16% ((% for general line) quota to 75% and to decrease the quota from existing 75% to 16% on promotion quota. As this will create around 150 vacancies every year for group B from IP line and there by many will get a chance to pass the exam and get 4800/- on completion of 5 years of service and after passing the exam. He said if this is approved some young IPs can reach to Director level.
But I don’t know how this proposal will be accepted by IPS officers as, Direct IPs may reach even DPS level on their fag end and their promotion may block for some years. This is my personal opinion and I have not studied this proposal till now. More over many seniors may not agree for this.
Even if Cat case favours us and do not issue any direction, implementation will not take place unless ASP issue is solved. I think, We may have to loose gazetted status and there is no other go.
If somebody can provide us some evidence for having same grade for two promotional cadres or if any recruitment is going on through staff selection commission for gazetted post. Please share with us.
jayanthputtur@rediffmail.com
Dear jayanth ji,
ReplyDeleteIf the Department feels that there is hierarchical problem because of existence of ASPOs in the Dept. of Post, the solution for the same should have been made, instead denying the parity to Inspector Posts with Inspectors in CBDT/CBEC and Assistants in CSS.
As asked by you, I am giving few examples of some promotional posts, having the same grade pay in the same pay band:
In Defence Accounts Department:
Sr. Accounts Officer
and Assistant Controller of Defence Accounts (ACDA): Grade pay Rs.5400 in PB-3
In Postal Accounts Office (PAO):
Sr. Accounts Officer
and Assistant Chief Accounts Officer (ACAO): Grade pay Rs.5400 in PB-3
In CAG Office:
Sr. Audit officer
and Assistant Accountant General(AAG) : Grade pay Rs 5400 in PB-3
Ministry of Defence, Naval Civilian:
Assistant and Office Superintendent: Grade pay Rs.4200 in PB-2
Assistant Foreman and Foreman: Grade pay Rs.4600 in PB-2
If two posts (one promotional to other) can be in the same Grade pay in the same pay band in other Departments, Inspector posts and Assistant Superintendent of Posts can also lie in the same Grade pay of Rs.4600 in PB-2. There is no need to merge the IP and ASP Cadre, as the department is suggesting.
Thanks.
Permanand.
Department is just trying to drag the issue by creating some differences between IP and ASP Cadre, knowing the fact that some senoir ASPOs will not be ready for leaving their Gazetted status. We should not allow the trap of the Dept. rather we should defend as mentioned above. In future, if the GP of SPOs are upgraded to Rs.5400, there will be a scope to fix the GP of ASPOs as Rs.4800 in between IP and SPOs. Association should defend the case properly.
ReplyDeleteThanks.
Permanand
It is also informed that Assistant and Section Officer in the CSS Cadre had been in 6500-200-10500/- scale up to implementation of sixth Pay commission. If u want proof for two different conseqeutive posts in the same pay scale ask for pay slip of Assistant in ministry (CSS cadre)& Section Officer of back months.
ReplyDeletethis happend when assistants were given 6500/- scale from 5500/-whereas Section officers were already in 6500/- scale. Those section officers did not oppose this and accepted. this the win win situation. no jealousy . u win and I win too.
ReplyDeletePermanandji,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you. Deptt or Jayantji may be spreading the news just to create differences between IPOs/ASPOs.If Jayantji is true then why GS is silent in the matter. GS should have written the disccussed matter in the blog. Any way IPOs wantGP of 4600 by hook or crook.If we will not get GP of 4600 DOP will only loose in long run. IPOs of today and tomorrow will not forgive Deptt for worst treatment despite clear recommendations of 6th Pay commission and its acceptance on pay parity issue with other inspectors. We IPOs are kept on par with Mail overseers . It is shamefull act done by Deptt.Now it is clear the pay commissions and its reports are only for the power full loby . If we are not in power full loby we will not get the benifits even after the recommendations of Pay commissions.See how politicians raised their salary within 2-3 days as per their whims and fancy.Perhaps if the politicians would have been under the DOP they would have not got single paisa hike in their salary due to very very talented /masters/twisters in DOP who would have raised hundreds of querys like their elections,graduate, under graduate, castes , OBC Quaota, other quotas, City location, Trains facility, Aitr Facility, Tel allowonaces, House allowances, MLA salaries, etc. etc.
"Mera Bharat Mahan."
In this copuntry only powerfull can get justice easily.Peoples like poor IPOs has to struggle... long battle.
KUMAR
Mr.kumar,
ReplyDeleteComeon , what do u mean. Whatever discussed i have put in th blog. In fact Me and my friends are fighting for grade pay/upgradation from 2006.We are the first person to fight in the bangalore court against the wishes of then association.If u dont want to discuss or reveal the fact then i will stop
Infact we told that we are not ready to give any conditional approval for merger.
regards
jayanth
Dear Jayant,
ReplyDeleteCongrates. I was not aware about your fight. I am sorry for my comments. I hope you will continue to fight the case and support the Permanad in true spirit.
Best wishes .
Kumar.
Mr. Kumar,
ReplyDeleteIts ok.
I think u must have misunderstood my comments. That was ADGs view. We should fight to prove against his views, that is why i called for some docuemnts. Mr.permanand assured me to spare some documents with this we are going to give representations .
I have one suggestion. Is it possible to have both IP and ASP with same grade pay ie Rs4600/-
ReplyDeleteWhen IP officials are promoted as ASP (as normal promotion) let the promoted IPs get Gazetted status then only.
In this way IP will get the Grade Pay Rs4600 (for which they are demanding) and ASPs will not loose their Gazetted Status. I dont know much about Rules. Is it possible. It is only a suggestion.
Promotion to GP may be 50% each
SIR,
ReplyDeleteIPOs has only demanded identicle pay scale with other Inspectors i.e I.Tax/CE wef 1.1.2006 with similar pay fixation.Alternatively IPOs should get 4600 GP i.e. on par with I.Tx/CE Inspectors.This has also been recommended by 6PC and accepted by GOVT.We should not mix up matters and DOP has tried to mix up the matters and draged IPOs grade pay at dead end.
-Kumar
it is noticed that in our department sr. Account officer and Asst. Chief accounts officer are having same grade pay in PB-3. Later is promotional Post .The oly difference is former is group B and later is Group A. We may ask maintianng the asp cadre with gazetted status with same grade pay
ReplyDeletejayanth
Dear friends
ReplyDeleteI am one of the ASPs .Nice to see the efforts from all of u.But the dept uses to take dual standards .Since we have no nuisance value usually the dept turns a deaf ear to all your gunuine demands.I have been observing this for more than 15 years. The campaign of post cards are of no use since u r not in a regime of Mahatma gandhiji.
The department denied the promotion of IPOs who qualified as JAOs which is against fundamental rights and IPs ASPs association was a mere spectator for this onslought.The dept issued transfer and posting orders to all other qualified officials when a case on this was pending which in the opinion of department is not subjudice.But when the issue of pay scales is taken up by the IPASPs association the department is telling that the issue cannot be settled now as a court case is pending.This is an example for double standards adapted by the department.U cannot expect justice form the department.
SIr,
ReplyDeleteWe all Inspector & ASPs of Uttarakhand Circle thanks for awakening the cadre through CAT Case filed at Ernakulam Bench.
We all members extend full support and stand by your action taken in this matter
Wish u all success and good luck.
What is the latest news regarding hearing in CAT today. Plz upto date the same.
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